Journalists who merit respect

stnmann

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 1:46 PM (1 of 18)

 

I don't know them all but I can only think of 3 who merit respect.

First, there's Ted Koppel, then, there's Dan Rather and now, they all have their very own Icon, and that's Tim Russert.


I apologize to all the other fine journalists that I don't know about -any journalists who should be on this list?


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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 1:49 PM (2 of 18)

 

Brian Williams.

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 2:00 PM (3 of 18)

 

I don't know anything about him. Is there a link?

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 2:08 PM (4 of 18)

I googled him, he belongs on CNN.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3667173/

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 2:36 PM (5 of 18)

So you respect Dan Rather even though he committed: fraud, wire fraud, forgery of Texas State Documents, attempted framing of a US President with forged documents and conspiracy on all counts?

Rather lied and got caught redhanded!

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 2:38 PM (6 of 18)

You should read this very closely, I think the documents were deliberately fabricated by Karl Rove in effort to discredit Dan Rather.

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 2:43 PM (7 of 18)

Looks like a very short list.

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 4:25 PM (8 of 18)

Koppel and Rather were news readers not journalists. They spouted the liberal party line every night from a teleprompter and got into their limmos and went to parties hosted by the liberal elite or back home to their mansions. The first time Dan Rather tried to delve into the relm of investigative journalism he got burned and fired. Russert was an editorialist. He worked in the arena of political opinions not journalism.

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 4:41 PM (9 of 18)

Right, your idea of a journalist is this, am I right or bang on?

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 5:04 PM (10 of 18)

We've come to accept editorial opinion for journalism in the last 50 years. Anyone can be a journalist...Who what, when, where, how. It's the "why" that tends to separate journalism from opinion. Nobody but a mind reader can answer the "why" question but it has been the focus of journalism since Ed Morrow smoked one of his million cigarettes on TV.

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 5:11 PM (11 of 18)

There's NO such animal as a journalist who merits respect.Everyone of the losers are left wingers with left wing agendas,INCLUDING Tim Russert !!!

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 5:20 PM (12 of 18)

Tim Russert is the role model.

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 5:44 PM (13 of 18)

 

Daniel Schorr should be on the list of those who deserve respect.

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 6:26 PM (14 of 18)

Thank you for introducing him.

Why are all the good ones unknown?

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 7:04 PM (15 of 18)

 

Your welcome. He's a good man. I think most good ones are "unknown" to some is because over the years they have moved to public radio.

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 7:05 PM (16 of 18)

Yeah right Stnman!

That makes absolutely no sense! It didn't make sense in 2004 when you Democrats tried to spin Kerry's involvement and it makes even less sense now!

WHAT IF NOBODY HAD NOTICED THEY WERE FORGERIES STUPID?

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 7:07 PM (17 of 18)

Oh and you don't think that CBS wouldn't have tried to go after Rove over this if there were even the remotest chance that your stupid theory were true?

 

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Posted: Jun 21, 2008 7:11 PM (18 of 18)

 

I did some research and I discovered that this is what Schorr wrote about Karl Rove on 15th July, 2005.

"Let me remind you that the underlying issue in the Karl Rove controversy is not a leak, but a war and how America was misled into that war.

In 2002 President Bush, having decided to invade Iraq, was casting about for a casus belli. The weapons of mass destruction theme was not yielding very much until a dubious Italian intelligence report, based partly on forged documents (it later turned out), provided reason to speculate that Iraq might be trying to buy so-called yellowcake uranium from the African country of Niger. It did not seem to matter that the CIA advised that the Italian information was "fragmentary and lacked detail."

Prodded by Vice President Dick Cheney and in the hope of getting more conclusive information, the CIA sent Joseph Wilson, an old Africa hand, to Niger to investigate. Mr. Wilson spent eight days talking to everyone in Niger possibly involved and came back to report no sign of an Iraqi bid for uranium and, anyway, Niger's uranium was committed to other countries for many years to come.

No news is bad news for an administration gearing up for war. Ignoring Wilson's report, Cheney talked on TV about Iraq's nuclear potential. And the president himself, in his 2003 State of the Union address no less, pronounced: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Wilson declined to maintain a discreet silence. He told various people that the president was at least mistaken, at most telling an untruth. Finally Wilson directly challenged the administration with a July 6, 2003 New York Times op-ed headlined, "What I didn't find in Africa," and making clear his belief that the president deliberately manipulated intelligence in order to justify an invasion.

One can imagine the fury in the White House. We now know from the e-mail traffic of Time's correspondent Matt Cooper that five days after the op-ed appeared, he advised his bureau chief of a super secret conversation with Karl Rove who alerted him to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and may have recommended him for the Niger assignment. Three days later, Bob Novak's column appeared giving Wilson's wife's name, Valerie Plame, and the fact she was an undercover CIA officer. Mr. Novak has yet to say, in public, whether Mr. Rove was his source. Enough is known to surmise that the leaks of Rove, or others deputized by him, amounted to retaliation against someone who had the temerity to challenge the president of the United States when he was striving to find some plausible reason for invading Iraq.

The role of Rove and associates added up to a small incident in a very large scandal - the effort to delude America into thinking it faced a threat dire enough to justify a war."


I think this proves that Vincent Bugliosi should be investigating Karl Rove as well.

 

Journalism is on life support. Anybody who is intelligent, independent and demands accountability is called a left wing lunatic. We live in an environment where the news is called fake and manufactured fairy tales are supposed to be true. Not convinced?

Go to any message board, post something that is fair and reasonable and count to two -- it won't take any longer for somebody to call you a left wing lunatic even if you are just a comedian like Jon Stewart.

Remarkably, the substance of the last post above is nothing new. As early as November 1, 2002, Wayne Madsen wrote:

"He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill."

If you expose Karl Rove on the Internet, you will invariably encounter somebody who says something like, Ha,ha,you liberals are a riot...